The Randal Osché Podcast: Season 1 | Episode 3
In this episode of The Randall Osché podcast, join us as we sit down with Executive Chef Justin Bonner to discuss his inspiring journey from the early days as a small-town line cook to achieving culinary and personal mastery as a chef in the Hamptons.
Listen in as Justin unfolds the layers of his unique career trajectory, sharing the vital life lessons learned through overcoming adversity and embracing change. This conversation not only dives deep into the heart of the culinary industry but also explores themes of personal development, mental well-being, and the art of life.
Justin's story is a vibrant example of resilience, showcasing the crucial interplay between professional growth and personal well-being. He highlights the power of positive energy and meaningful connections and the significant impact these have on both hospitality and everyday life.
Additionally, Justin gives us a glimpse into his future endeavors, including an aspiration for a food truck project to marry culinary arts with community engagement across America.
Whether you're a food enthusiast, someone seeking career inspiration, or looking to enrich your mental and emotional well-being, this episode offers valuable insights into pursuing one's passions with courage and an open heart. Don't miss Chef Justin Bonner's story about the power of perseverance and determination to pursue one's dreams
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SHOW NOTES
Quotes from Randall
"You can't connect the dots looking forward... as you look back, every event in your life, you know, led you to where you're at right? There's connective tissue there."
"You get jobs by talking to people... you get opportunities from people."
"The world is a very large place and there's lots of opportunities outside of where you happen to have grown up."
"Taking risks is something in my adult life that I've had to grow into... to get those other opportunities I would have to step outside of my comfort zone."
Quotes from Justin
"Your first impression is perceived by the guest by how is your energy level... it's the key to life dude."
"Every day after a hard day in a restaurant, you wake up, you're positive... you just continue to grow and learn and be positive with life."
"I was always intrigued... And from there just I got hungry, considered a culinary school, but I just kept asking questions."
"It's about making that first connection... Energy and speaking with anybody at any time and just being hospitable is it's the key to life dude."
"Don't hold yourself back. Take those risks... don't overthink things, take the risk and keep your head on straight."
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[00:01:21] Randall: So today we have with us Justin Bonner, who is an executive chef who I've known for a a long time. I don't know how many years, but it's been, what, since 2005, 2000, 2005 ish, maybe? Does that sound about right?
[00:01:34] Justin: Probably 2000, probably 2004.
[00:01:38] Justin: A long time.
[00:01:39] Randall: 2004? Yeah, I think somewhere in there. A long time. But yeah, I wanted to, you know, first give my appreciation to Justin for making time to s pend with me on the podcast and go through this. So Justin, how are you doing today?
[00:01:52] Justin: Uh, Today's great. You know, every day after a hard day in a restaurant, you wake up, you're positive, you know, you just tackle the next topic.
[00:01:59] Justin: The next topic goals of your day. And from there you move forward, just continue to grow and learn and be positive with life. So everything is great.
[00:02:05] Randall: I love the attitude. So we covered this a little bit just as far as I guess the theme of this podcast, but for our listeners or new listeners what I'm really interested in sort of like deconstructing. Individuals journeys and how they got to where they're at. Right? I've probably said this on other episodes before, but I'm always reminded of a Steve Jobs quote that he gave during a commencement speech for the University of Stanford where he talks about You know, you can't connect the dots looking forward, right?
[00:02:34] Randall: But as you look back, every event in your life, you know, led you to where you're at, right? There's connective tissue there. So Justin, I guess with that in mind, how did you become, you know, get from where you started to becoming an executive chef?
[00:02:49] Justin: I guess what I've always loved to do is, I've always enjoyed cooking.
[00:02:52] Justin: I grew up in a, you know I guess not a poor family, but, not a rich family in western Pennsylvania. You know, my mom always took care of my brother and I while my father went out and made a living during the week there, so I didn't get to see him until the weekend, so she always cooked for the family day, night.
[00:03:05] Justin: And, you know, me and my grandfather, my grandmother, always cooked big family outings and stuff like that, and I was always intrigued. So when I turned 16 there, I started getting a restaurant job in a hotel the Clarion Holiday Inn, which is still there, but not anywhere what it was when I started you know, bussing tables, whatever, working the buffets and shared an interest.
[00:03:25] Justin: So then I went to the kitchen and wash dishes and started learning salads and, doing line cook position. And I think before 18, I was running the Holiday Inn kitchen for two years without an executive chef, while I was still in high school. And it really sparked my interest.
[00:03:38] Justin: And from there, just, I got hungry considered a culinary school, but, and I just kept asking questions, just exploring my explorations there of what's, what happens when I do this, what happens when I combine these ingredients? And, it just built me up to be a very strong culinary individual. And working all the way from.
[00:03:57] Justin: Through through clarion Pennsylvania there, I moved to Arizona where I worked at uh, new markets cafe as the kitchen manager for three years, as well as I worked for a company called Houston's as a side gig. And from there, it's like, you know, I went to another major restaurant corporation in Phoenix went all the way to California was working at about a four or 5 million a year restaurant as a kitchen manager, like a second in command.
[00:04:23] Justin: After that, I reached out to a friend of mine I knew in Arizona who was opening a place out in the Hamptons and, I guess I just came out here on a whim and a prayer just through a phone call you know, association from another person. And, here I am. I find myself on my 12th summer as an executive chef out in Hampton Bays, Long Island, where, we're going anywhere from seven to 8 million a year annually with our busiest season being obviously summer in the Hamptons would be you know, May to early October, depending on the weather.
[00:04:52] Justin: So, I mean, that's kind of what put me here and it's challenging myself every day, but it's very tough work. It's very stressful, but you know, I enjoy what I do. I enjoy the stressful environment and it's great to be able to think on your feet when you have something thrown at you to be able to be such a be like a fire marshal to be able to prevent fires before they happen and see, 20, 30 minutes, 40 minutes into a service, you know, where you have, you'll have 65 menus dropped at you every 20 minutes and you have a party on the lawn and you have another party going on upstairs like private parties and also dealing with the ghost for Uber Eats and DoorDash now because those are really big opportunities for money and restaurants, but sometimes it's so busy I just turned them off.
[00:05:31] Justin: Like we have to, we have to take care of our guests in house first. Yeah. But I mean, that's kind of a nutshell where I, how I came up and where I'm at.
[00:05:38] Randall: Yeah. Sometimes you gotta make those business decisions that to forgo the Uber eats, so you prioritize next. Yeah. You take care of
[00:05:44] Justin: The guest center and in-house first before you have to take care of everybody else.
[00:05:47] Randall: Yeah. Yeah. So. A lot there. Thank you for sharing. I wrote down some questions I wanted to follow up on.
[00:05:55] Randall: First, what was you know growing up, right? Like your family cooked and then you mentioned your grandparents and you would, or they would cook for family. Like holidays and things like that. Do you remember a favorite dish you had growing up or your favorite, family holiday dish or favorite holiday?
[00:06:11] Randall: No,
[00:06:11] Justin: it's like growing up in Pennsylvania. I mean, Randy, you, you should know as well as I do that. Anything like made back home is comfort food. And it's hard to put your finger on a favorite, but I would say, top five would be Like my grandmother's homemade canned tomatoes and macaroni and cheese, you know, where it's just like longhorn cheddar baked on top of macaroni with canned tomatoes.
[00:06:30] Justin: That's a favorite. My step grandmother's five bean baked beans. Just phenomenal. My mother's beef stew, ham and scalloped potatoes, you know, anything like that. That's just like, you got my heart right there. If I see any of that at the table.
[00:06:44] Randall: Yeah, you had me at a ham and scallop potatoes. That's a forgotten one, but a favorite of mine as well. You know, part of my desire to do the podcast is I think that, through your story, there's a lot of things that, people can take away and if it catches the right person at the right time.
[00:07:03] Randall: I think it will help them on their journey to say, like, maybe become an executive chef or maybe get a job, right? So one of the things that you mentioned is that after you went to Arizona and then California, you knew somebody that was opening up a restaurant in Hampton Bay. Is that correct?
[00:07:17] Justin: Well, one person I worked with And I'll leave names out of it just for you know, appropriate reasons, but we worked in Arizona together and California they knew each other through association for years prior to me working with them. They were, my owner was opening a restaurant in Hampton bays and my affiliate that I worked with in Arizona, he had gone out as, you know, the liaison to get the restaurant open. And he's like, let me reach out to Justin. He's like, I know the perfect person to come out here that we need out here. Strong, very, very willed and very, on hand and. I guess, very experienced to run this restaurant.
[00:07:49] Justin: So that's when the phone call came in over, you know, I was actually at a current job and, it was a phone interview, driving through, he was driving his Jeep, like through the woods or whatever. And he's like, yeah, he's like, be here next week. He's like, and you can start. And I'm like, all right, cool.
[00:08:01] Justin: So that's when I was packed up and I moved back to Pennsylvania. And then I drove out to Hampton base.
[00:08:05] Randall: Yeah. Nice. The thing there that I always, it took me a while to learn this. And I wish I would have known it sooner is that you get jobs by talking to people, right? And you get jobs through your network and you get jobs and opportunities, more broadly speaking, I guess I'll say you get opportunities from people, right?
[00:08:23] Randall: People think that they can go to maybe the traditional route. If you're looking for a new opportunity, or if you're looking to become an executive chef, like, Oh, I'll search a job board. And see what's available out there, but that's not how the real world works. And if there's one piece of advice I have for people like in career transition or, you know, maybe high school graduates or college graduates looking to start their career, it's just talk to as many people as you can, right?
[00:08:51] Randall: You don't need to necessarily ask them for a job, but talk to people, get them to know you, get to know them, show them your character, and you'll be in a situation more than likely, like Justin was, to become an executive chef of a new restaurant.
[00:09:05] Justin: It's about connecting
[00:09:06] Justin: with people there, Randy. whether you're going to see them again or whether you're gonna see them tomorrow, it falls down even like the hospitality business, it's about making that first connection.
[00:09:16] Justin: And you know, when you walk up to, say you're walking up to a table to greet a table that sits down in the restaurant, your first impression is perceived by the guest by how is your energy level, you know, how is this person like that's going to make their first impression is like, how are you approach the table?
[00:09:31] Justin: Like, Hey, Welcome to the restaurant, you know, I'm such and such. How can I get your like? Hey guys, like thanks for coming in today Like, how are you doing? What's you know, what are we looking at today? Maybe some apps of entree like some apps or drinks. Like can I get you a margarita?
[00:09:42] Justin: Can I get you a whatever maybe, you know, like a buffalo shrimp or like can I get you some awesome like truffle fries we have, or, you know, would you like a glass of wine, or would you like our house sangria. It's like the energy level is how the people are going to read.
[00:09:54] Justin: That's going to be like making a connection. So I feel like in hospitality that can go along with anything as far as like, you know, you're meeting people standing in line at subway to get a sandwich. You just happen to have great energy and you're saying hello, being friendly and courteous is like that energy could turn a conversation to somebody like you could be standing beside a CEO for a multiple corporation.
[00:10:14] Justin: You have no idea, but you didn't make that initial, I guess, had that initial energy to spark a connection with anybody who would want to continue a conversation with you. So you could be standing besides Steve jobs for all, you know, or even like Elon Musk and not knew who they are, but then you start a conversation and
[00:10:30] Justin: it just builds the ground from there. So I think energy and, speaking with anybody at any time and just being hospitable is, it's the key to life, dude.
[00:10:38] Randall: Yeah, I would agree. And the thing that baffles me sometimes is, I mean, that's a skill set in itself, but to me it's like I guess it's easier for some people than it is maybe for others just to be cognizant of like your energy level and be open to having conversations with everybody and being nice and hospitable to the people that you encounter, right?
[00:11:01] Randall: Especially if you're doing it like as a business, right? But it baffles me that, professionals do n't do that as much as they should, or I don't see that as much as I would like to see it. And to me, that's the easy part, right? It's the easy part to be a human and express empathy and to inquire and ask how somebody's day is going, right?
[00:11:22] Randall: Like, if you're mad, for instance, if you call like a customer service line, because you have an issue with a piece of technology or whatever, and you're already upset. But if you get somebody that has good energy that is actually being empathetic and expressing concern and you feel is being authentic and wanting to help you solve your problem, it deescalates how you feel about it and you might be able to get off the call and the problem is still not fixed because it has to be escalated, but you feel much better about the interaction.
[00:11:51] AI: Because of how they, treated you as a person, right? Let's take a quick break from today's episode.
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[00:12:19] Randall: One of the things that I did want to touch on and I was thinking about the different ways to ask this question. As an executive chef, I'm sure there's a lot on your plate, but my initial thought was Oh, like, Hey, Justin, what do you do as an executive chef?
[00:12:34] Randall: What does that look like on a day to day basis? But I think, and having worked in hospitality a little bit myself, not as an executive chef, of course. I'm sure different days look differently to you. So maybe just walk us through your week and what, you know some of your main responsibilities are as an executive chef.
[00:12:52] Justin: I guess, for starters.
[00:12:53] Justin: I mean, it does, especially in summertime, it varies from day to day to day. But I guess a good week synopsis would be Monday through Fridays rapid restaurant, like 7am sometimes 6am on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, but that will do Monday through Friday. First quick here. You know, check in with my prep team downstairs open up all the stations, make sure everything's properly rotated.
[00:13:13] Justin: Nothing's out of date, taste check, quality check, everything like that. You know, I think some shelf life, start turning on your equipment check any orders as they are received look at the lineup, make sure we have everybody in place for schedules adjust the prep list for needs to be on the day to day basis.
[00:13:27] Justin: Check out the reservations, see what we have, where our pops are going to be. Make sure we have people, places, and things that we all need in place. You know, start to grab the products to bring upstairs because our prep team is in the basement of a restaurant. We're a two story, three story restaurant with the basement included.
[00:13:43] Justin: So we have ice machines in the basement. Go up a flight of stairs, first floor of the restaurant. Then we have a second floor of the restaurant and we have also have ice machines outside. So you imagine like going up and down the stairs. There's 15 steps that we go up and down a thousand times a day just to get to the prep kitchen and like the walk ins downstairs.
[00:14:00] Justin: Start carrying product up for the team members when they start coming in to set up the prep list, you know, for the line upstairs. Jump in, help my team out, start getting everything prepped, whether there's BEOs or parties, start marking off all the proteins in the morning for the later parties.
[00:14:14] Justin: That way we're not interrupting service because we only have one kitchen for service. So, everything has to be done in the morning. So you have to be very organized, very precise. And ultimately I'd say the hardest part of my job is being organized. Time versus organization is the toughest part of my job where I'm at as an executive chef and every other restaurant differs Had their pros and their cons and their weaknesses and their strengths, but I'd say My biggest challenge is time and preparedness slash organization, but that's like Monday through Fridays, but I mean, like that's on a normal day, but then you get on the weekends, we open a half an hour earlier for brunch service.
[00:14:51] Justin: Obviously, you know, getting busier and busier example is yesterday I had $1,800 worth of produce coming in before 11 o'clock. And that's a lot of produce. I don't know if anybody understands like how much a case of tomatoes is like $39 give or take, but $1,800 with the produce is a lot. And then the day before, I had an order come in, I had probably $14,000 worth of products come in on Saturday between fish big house, which would be Cisco and like another provider, the Carlo, like our major, like our meats, our cheeses, our dairy, like all that kind of stuff, you know?
[00:15:26] Justin: So that's a lot of product. It's like probably, 400 cases of product to come in that needs to be put away and organized, you know, before we open at 11:30. So, I have a team of people helping me to put that away, but also I'm in the mix of helping on a Saturday, Sunday, like putting that kind of stuff away.
[00:15:41] Justin: So on top of what I said to Monday through Friday with the organization, on top of that, on a bigger, heavier weekends, I mean, there's a lot of product to put away and we're pushing $150,000, $175,000. We're not quite the $200,000 weeks and that's just sales for the week for the restaurant. So, but we're getting there.
[00:15:59] Justin: And I think this year we're going to probably push like $220,000 to $240,000 weeks in sales, probably the month of August. But that's kind of like my day to day
[00:16:07] Justin: routine, I guess. You know, at the end of the day, once I'm start winding down, my, my out times mean nothing.
[00:16:12] Justin: If I'm out at five, like that's just a general, that's a general inquiry of what time I leave. But obviously they're getting smacked in the window or the service is very, very busy, you know, I'm going to stick around to support my team. But usually the, after like everything's set off, I hand the torch off, you know, I'll go organize the walk ins.
[00:16:28] Justin: Make sure we have stuff ordered for the next parties coming up the next couple of days. Then I'll do the orders for the next day. Make sure we have enough produce coming in. You know, I'll look over the schedule that my sous chef writes and make sure it's ready to post. It's in a budget.
[00:16:41] Justin: We have enough coverage. yeah, That's pretty much how like my week works. I mean, it's going to vary from week to week, but that's a general gist of what is accomplished by me, I guess, a week.
[00:16:50] Randall: Yeah, man, that's sounds like a lot of work and a lot of steps and a lot of heavy boxes of carrots.
[00:16:57] Justin: Yeah, it is.
[00:16:58] Randall: Kudos to you. Not the only thing I'm thinking about, but is do you have a step counter? Like, do you have a Fitbit or anything like that to count your steps?
[00:17:06] Justin: No, I used to. I think one point I did.I think it was, I definitely was averaging 12, 000 steps a day.
[00:17:12] Justin: And that was on a slower day, but I haven't had a fitbit for a while, but I'm just curious Like what it would be now I also have a I also have a I also have a bad ankle bad ankle, dude I have a bad ankle too and that just makes it even better
[00:17:23] Justin: I was just thinking I was cleaning my shower over the weekend and I was like, Oh, with this like soap scum, it gets a little slippery in here. Maybe I need to put down some anti slip stuff. And I'm like, this is all internal dialogue that I'm having with myself is like, I'm not as elastic as I used to be if I fall something.
[00:17:40] Randall: Something's going to break. I'm not going to be able to bounce back. There's a lot of things that I would still like to get into, but just in the interest of time, maybe it's good if we come back and do a, do a part two of this, but. Two questions that, and then you will wrap this up and then we'll come back and do a part two.
[00:17:58] Randall: You know, in our lives, in our careers, and you can take this, like, either way, it doesn't have to be just about being an executive chef but what's the biggest pivotal moment that you've had that has, pushed you in the direction of where you're at, and it can be professionally, it can be personally, but what was like, can you think of any, moment in time where if it would have gone a different direction, you would be doing something different?
[00:18:23] Randall: Or be somewhere different. Versus how it ended up going and it led you to where you're at today. Can you think of any, like one most pivotal moment in your life journey thus far?
[00:18:34] Justin: To be honest with you I don't think I would be here if it wasn't for infractions with the law.
[00:18:42] Justin: You know, I had done some stupid things as young kids do you know, it had to be on probation and stuff like that. And just, I guess just knowing the crowd that you knew that we used to run around with there, Randy some of them are a little bit more wild than others and some of them, like to cause more problems, but, not being associated with them, but just being known by name and then, you know, Judge back home calling my aunt and saying once I was finished with all my stuff on paper like hey I was pretty clear to go.
[00:19:06] Justin: Don't worry about it. Him pushing me to go out of Clarion Probably that pivotal point that would not be here right now He had to call my aunt and said, Just tell Justin to get out of here before something happens. They're going to make a lot of us for a lot of people, and I don't want him drag back into the system for something he didn't do just like guilty by association, I guess.
[00:19:23] Justin: And that's what that was a pivotal point in my life that pushed me to go to live out west. And, I was like, I need a job. I didn't have a job for five weeks out there. But, you know, I found one. I dug my teeth in, dude, grabbed the bull by the horns. And, I think that's what really elevated me to where the type of I'm not that I was a bad person, but elevated me to the, The work, the workmanship that I create now is what that put me at.
[00:19:46] Justin: And, it's strived for me to be the best I can. And that's why, I'm making six figures, working in one of the greatest vacation spots in the world. It's the Hamptons, you know, and it's, it's great. I mean, I love it.
[00:19:56] Randall: Yeah. I appreciate you sharing that. And I think for a lot, of people, Western Pennsylvania, having grown up there myself, doesn't offer a lot to a lot of people. And I think one of the pieces of advice, regardless of any sort of infraction with the law or not, is that the world is a very large place and there's lots of opportunities outside of where you happen to have grown up.
[00:20:23] Randall: So whether it's Western Pennsylvania or somewhere else in like Appalachia, Or, you know, any sort of rural town that the world's a big place and there's lots of opportunities. You just have to be willing to take the jump and do what Justin did to, you know, kind of go out and brave the big bad world and see what's there.
[00:20:44] Randall: Shout outto that, I guess you said a judge for talking to your aunt, but I mean, that's killer advice, you know, for him to take the time to have that conversation. I think that that's a really. You know, really like shout out to him for going out of his way and having that conversation.
[00:20:59] Randall: Cause from your standpoint, obviously that was a pivotal moment. And you know, if he didn't take the time and have that conversation with your aunt,who knows, right. Could be better, it could be worse, but that has certainly pushed you in a direction where executive chef and living a good life.
[00:21:14] Randall: Last question before we wrap up here. What's the one piece, the most impactful piece of advice that you wish you could pass on to your younger self.
[00:21:24] Justin: I guess I would say, don't hold yourself back. Take those risks. I guess what I'm trying to say, Randy, is don't overthink things. You know, don't overthink things, take the risk and, keep your head on straight. And I think I would have even come a little bit more on top if I would have just had a little more confidence in myself and just push myself a little bit harder.
[00:21:42] Justin: Instead of being hesitant on jumping on an action or something like that.
[00:21:46] Randall: Yeah. I think I would agree. I mean, that is just, that's another question. I try to be careful with how I ask.
[00:21:51] Randall: But like one of those things is, is taking risks. I was very risk adverse. You know, through I don't wanna say most of my life. I don't know, like the timeframe or duration I would want to say there, but taking risks is something in my adult life that I've had to grow into.
[00:22:08] Randall: And I did it like deliberately and consciously because I realized that there was other opportunities out there, but to get those other opportunities, I would have to step outside of my comfort zone to, you know, have the opportunity, grab the bull by the horns and take it from there.
[00:22:23] Randall: But Justin, I just want to say, as we wrap up here, I appreciate your time.
[00:22:29] Randall: I appreciate your authenticity. I appreciate you sharing your journey to where you're at. And I'm hopeful that, somebody that needs to hear this from somebody else outside of their circle, network. listens and they take some of your life wisdom thus far and apply it to their journey and that gets them further faster, but appreciate the time, Justin any final thoughts you'd like to share with the listeners or share maybe you know, what you're working on next, if any.
[00:22:59] Justin: No new projects next I definitely always still have a food truck in mind.
[00:23:03] Justin: That's my next adventure. Traveling across the states with, my own culture of food truck where I bring a taste of Long Island to Dallas, Texas, or, you know, Austin, Texas, or I bring New Orleans, Louisiana food to Southern California. That's kind of the theme I'm going for where each different area of the United States there start out as a different kind of a different theme of food bring in, taste of Miami to Arizona, just that's kind of a, my project going on on the side there don't want to be working in I guess multi million dollar you know, kitchen until I'm 55 years old.
[00:23:37] Justin: Not having time to spend with the family and stuff like that. Yes, it's been great. And yes, it's a great aspect to do, but it's a very tough life to have find some balance. So I'm trying to work towards that goal of having a mobility and traveling and seeing the different country sides and just doing what I love and that's cooking and seeing people's faces when they eat my food.
[00:23:55] Justin: That's the biggest reward is seeing the people's reactions of how good my food is when they eat it. And that's why I do what I do.
[00:24:02] Randall: I love it, man. I love it. Let me know when the food truck happens. I'll make sure I'll stop by wherever you're at. But again Justin Bonner, executive chef signing off. See you guys later.
[00:24:12] Randall: And that's it for today's conversation here on the Randall O'Shea podcast. Thank you so much for joining us and we hope that you've enjoyed listening as much as we've enjoyed recording it.